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Romantic outcome: 5 of Wands, 3 of Swords, Magician?

Amanda

Posted 7:42 am, 08/28/2017

Sorry I haven't been around; plenty of relationship drama going on my end when I'm not working...

I only add the cards in the actual spread for the Quint and I don't add Court cards. So the first one is World (21) + (2) of Cups = 23, and 2 + 3 = 5/Hierophant. As to an outcome, the Hierophant for me is "Seek higher knowledge" -- it might suggest you get advice from a friend, or take the conversation with this girl to a higher/more serious level, perhaps to set it straight and define the terms for which it seems to be working under. You should be a little cautious with the 2 of Cups under the Hierophant's influence. On a psychological spectrum, the Hierophant would represent the 'persona' (the face/mask we show the world) and he could be highlighting the 2 of Cups as this girl simply being 'nice to your face'. That is, being friendly and not wanting to hurt your feelings.

For the second spread, I would add the Chariot (7) + the World (21) = 28, and 2 + 8 = 10/Wheel of Fortune. As to an outcome, the Wheel for me is "Choose your reactions carefully" and it might suggest a change in direction. It could be highlighting a 'past-present-future' scenario within a 3 card spread as well. That is, the Chariot could be showing you're struggle to cooperate with this girl in this situation like not being on the same page and trying to go in different directions, the World could be highlighting how untouchable she currently is, and the Prince of Hearts could be suggesting that you move on in the future to work on developing a new relationship.

That's how I'd look at those cards..

csdude

Posted 4:29 am, 08/21/2017

Just because I think it's interesting to read the outcomes, I just wanted to say that last week was exceptionally uneventful with her. I tried to chat a few times, and even though she replied they were always short and vague.


Keeping the Prince in mind, I invited her to lunch any day this upcoming week, but she told me that she can't for various reasons. Reasons that are perfectly valid, mind you, but wouldn't keep her from chatting with me if she wanted.

I can't imagine how a single card in either of those last 2 spreads applied last week, so I'm really interested to hear any alternative interpretations for them!

A consistent theme in my spreads with her have been to be patient and not over-think things, but... it's been a month since we've had a "real" conversation, much less anything else! How patient is one supposed to be?

Amanda, I know you like to look at the Quints... the first spread has a Quint of 2, right? So, the High Priestess? I'm not sure what insight that would give me.

The second spread is two Majors and a court card, so... I guess it doesn't have a Quint at all? I'm not sure what that means.

csdude

Posted 11:03 pm, 08/16/2017

Just because the saga continues, and nobody else is talking about anything...


Over the last few weeks, this girl has still been sending all kinds of mixed signals, but I'm taking it all with a grain of salt.

This last Sunday, I did a regular spread asking, what will be the outcome between me and this girl?

The response:

Jumpers
6 of Swords (change of direction for a new perspective; difficult time is ending)

10 of Hearts (Success; Harmony, marriage, happiness, alignment)

Spread
World (completion, achievement and fulfillment. All of your efforts are finally paying off and you have reached the end of a journey or have completed a major life cycle)

2 of Hearts (romance, Unified love, partnership, attraction, relationships; maybe a romantic choice to be made)

Princess of Swords (Talkative, curious, mentally restless, energetic; a green light that says "go for it"; some interesting info will surprise you)

Shadow
6 of Hearts (joy, childlike happiness, happy just being together; remember the happy memories, but don't live in the past)


I usually do 7 shuffles before doing the spread, and after the second jumper, honestly, I lost track of how many shuffles I had done so I'm not 100% sure that I did all 7, I might have just done 6. But it still felt right.

And this spread seems super positive; the focus card is the 2 of Hearts, the first clarifier is a Major saying that everything is going well, the second clarifier shows a girl that's excited to get a message and that I should "go for it". Even the jumpers and shadow are positive, so I'm prepared for a great week!

We didn't talk at all Monday, and Tuesday I accidentally saw her... I went to the restaurant where she works part time on weekends, as I always do on Tuesday, and was surprised that she was working. They were very busy so we only talked briefly, but she sent me a very platonic message while I was there (a pic of one of the other employees, a mutual friend, poking fun at him).

Later, I suggested we get together the next day for lunch or coffee, and she said she had to work. Then I suggested Friday, and again she said she has to work. I replied (I forget what I said), but she didn't write back.

None of that felt very "2 of Hearts" or anything, so Tuesday night I did another spread, asking for clarification on the first (thinking that maybe I'd stopped shuffling too soon and messed it all up). This time I know I did it right:

Jumpers
8 of Wands (signals, love and romance are highlighted)

World (completion, achievement and fulfillment. All of your efforts are finally paying off and you have reached the end of a journey or have completed a major life cycle)

Spread
Chariot (take control, will power, victory, assertion, determination; a good card, a sign of winning the race)

World (completion, achievement and fulfillment. All of your efforts are finally paying off and you have reached the end of a journey or have completed a major life cycle)

Prince of Hearts (now is the time to respond; lots of movement, young love; Romance, charm, ‘Knight in shining armor’, imagination)

Shadow
Fool (don't over-analyze; great potential, new beginnings, inspiration, joy)

If you consider reversals based on which way the cards are "looking" (which I'm on the fence about), both the Chariot and the Prince were facing the World.

Well, this seems super positive, too! FOUR Major cards, all saying that things are going well and I shouldn't over think the situation, along with a jumper saying that she's going to send me some sort of signal (presumably positive), and I take the Prince as referring to me, which usually be advise to "be like this".

So today, in the spirit of the Prince, I sent her another message... which she read, but didn't reply.

Here it is Wednesday night, the week is coming to an end, and we've hardly spoken at all in the last 2 weeks.

So the question I present to you guys is... how would you take these spreads to mean something different than my interpretation?

Amanda

Posted 9:24 am, 07/28/2017

I would read your Quint of that last spread as Temperance (5) of wands + (9) of Swords = 14/Temperance. "Patience and timing are necessary to unlock the treasures of the future."

I find it interesting that your 5 of Wands says, "Refuse to be a victim." I can't say that's one I've heard before for this card. In any case, it really highlights your need or compulsion to stay on top of something -- especially with the Knight coming on strong in that direction, which is motivated by the overthinking 9.

Be cautious of overthinking and jumping to a conclusion in an attempt to solve a wrong or trivial issue.

Interestingly, the Hierophant is a lower vibration of Temperance (1+4=5). I like what is says, "Your interests are not always best served by blind obedience." -- It's a more negative interpretation of the Hierophant I think, but just so happens to work perfectly as a 'shadow' card interpretation.

You know, just because you've committed yourself to making something work here, doesn't necessarily mean it is the best, most right, or truest path. Perhaps, don't allow your commitment to a goal or outcome precede or outweigh the actions you take towards reaching it. There needs to be more flexibility in the moment to react/respond to changing circumstances or vibes. Commitment isn't everything. I suspect you must have a very strong sense of accomplishment; anything you set your mind to, you usually get. This is great for work, money, and stuff like that... not so easy to incorporate into a romantic/love life. You'll have to back off a bit and go a little more tit-for-tat with someone you're interested in. You make a move, then allow them to make a move, then you respond, then they respond. It's more like a chess-playing dance, rather than you just going for it and getting it. If you're not getting a progressive response in return for your efforts, you should be better able or more likely to see this person's level of interest and call it quits before you progress things too much further.

csdude

Posted 8:59 pm, 07/23/2017

You don't say whether you do reversals, but if you don't,then the Magician could be in his most negative sense where he/she is manipulating, and this is possible.

I'm going to discuss this under Using Tarot in a second, because I don't really do reversals, but... kind of?

I've never quite understood how reversals really work. I mean, I keep my cards straight and shuffle pretty consistently the same way, so the only chance I have for a traditional reversal is if a jumper physically falls to the floor and lands reversed. But that's a pretty rare occurrence!

Someone suggested that I base it on how the cards are facing in the spread; eg, if a clarifier is facing away from the focus card then consider it reversed? But then, how would the focus card ever be reversed?

In this case, the Magician was facing the 3 of Swords (the focus card). And the 5 of Wands has two men facing one another, so one of them is technically facing the focus while the other is turned away... I can't imagine that it would ever be considered reversed, in this case.


If you have competition with her, just pick up the phone as the magician upright is about communication too and travel, as it is ruled by Mercury. She could be one of those people who respect a man who will pick up the phone if you already know her to ask her out, as opposed to texting. Texting drives me nuts, so ....So stand out from the other guy and take positive action, but move on if she continues to play games after the date I would say, as you need to be in control of your heart with the three of swords.

Weird realization this week... she's never given me her phone number! We chat via Snapchat, never by text.

I've gotten the feeling that the flame on her end has died down to a luke-warm ember, though. There's been very little chatting, and the majority of messages on her end (after the sexy one a week ago) were pretty cool.

I invited her to lunch any day this week, and she replied that she would let me know later because she had to be somewhere Monday and Tuesday. I did a spread**, and based on that I'm not holding my breath or anything, but I'll post back with an update if things go better than expected


** Not looking for input on this one, really, unless you just want to give it. I'm just posting it as an update...

What will be my outcome with [her] this week?

* Spread
5 of Wands (Disagreement, competition, strife, tension, conflict; but this is a friendly competition, so others seem to think it's more like playful flirting)

Prince of Swords (lots of movement, new ideas and people with ideas; be careful of fights that will result in future conflict)

9 of Swords (Depression, nightmares, intense anxiety, despair; worrying excessively, beating yourself up; more of a psychological negative than physical one, though)

* Shadow
Hierophant (Commitment; Religion, group identification, conformity, tradition, beliefs)

The recurrence of the 5 of Wands is well noted! If the Prince represents me, then the 9 of Swords does NOT bode well for the week! I don't understand the Hierophant as a shadow, though.

The Quint there is the Emperor, right? I guess that'd be me this week... a lonely old wise man, sitting alone on top of a mountain

tara

Posted 3:11 am, 07/22/2017

Hi Csdude

Based on your story and the cards and how you emphasize each position and card, I would say the girl is playing games with you and you may also have competition.
You don't say whether you do reversals, but if you don't,then the Magician could be in his most negative sense where he/she is manipulating, and this is possible.
If you have competition with her, just pick up the phone as the magician upright is about communication too and travel, as it is ruled by Mercury. She could be one of those people who respect a man who will pick up the phone if you already know her to ask her out, as opposed to texting. Texting drives me nuts, so ....So stand out from the other guy and take positive action, but move on if she continues to play games after the date I would say, as you need to be in control of your heart with the three of swords.

Regards
tara

csdude

Posted 5:27 am, 07/20/2017

Hmm. I don't think that I see dating as a competition... I mean, if it is, I'm clearly losing! But that doesn't mean that she doesn't think that I treat it that way, I guess. Something to think about, for sure.


And I wouldn't be surprised at all to hear she has other options, she's really waaay out of my league. She's told me before that she doesn't have many friends, though, and that I'm the only person she talks to at all. Which kinda made me wonder if I'm friend-zoned?

I honestly can't tell if I'm friend zoned or not, she's been super hard to read. I flirt, and she replies and seems in to it, but never flirts back. We used to talk all day, every day, but for the last 2 weeks she's been a bit distant, which makes me think she's lost interest. But then Sunday night, a few hours after I posted this, she sent me a somewhat out-of-the-blue message with a very sexy (although PG-13) and provocative pic

I replied back a few minutes later, but she didn't reply. I sent her another message on Monday, and again, no reply. So based on my own interpretation of the 3 of Swords, I didn't say anything more, just waiting to hear from her when/if she had time. But she didn't say anything, either, so by this point I'm really just confused.

I read your interpretation, though, and realized that maybe I was creating my own 8 of Swords outcome by listening to the 3 of Swords? So I sent her a message Wednesday night and asked if she could do lunch one day next week, and she replied almost immediately that she'd love to.

So maybe she's just been busy? Too busy to spend 10 seconds texting a "sorry I've been super busy, good night"?

As for the cards, your interpretation seems to be more accurate than mine, but I would have NEVER gotten there on my own so I'm at a loss on why they were presented that way.

A question I've always wondered, do the cards show an answer based on how they know I will interpret them? Or do they know that I'll Google the combination or ask for advice, and give answers based on the advise they know I'll eventually find? Maybe a question for the Using Tarot section one day...

TarotHeaven

Posted 12:52 pm, 07/19/2017

You feel that dating is a competition and it hurts you (3 of swords). Magician is a single guy, so This week you will remain single (especially surrounded by 5 of wands and 3 of swords).


Magician is able to manifest. So does the 8 of swords. The person in the 8 of swords manifested that situation. Magician can manifest for good or for bad. 8 of swords is hinting that you need to have a more positive outlook. Move any negative subconscious fears from your mind and plant new positive seeds. The magician (consciousness) will know what to do with it.

This girl may have other options and you need to do something super magical (magician) that will get her attention. Don't focus on the 3 of swords or you will just be bound by the 8 of swords.

Let us know how it went!

csdude

Posted 10:29 pm, 07/16/2017

I've doing a weekly spread, just asking for my romantic outcome for the upcoming week. Last week's spread seemed very positive, but then nothing actually happened, so I was left feeling pretty disappointed.

Then this week's spread was just confusing:

Spread
5 of Wands (Disagreement, competition, strife, tension, conflict; but this is a friendly competition, so others seem to think it's more like playful flirting)

3 of Swords (Painful separation, sorrow, heartbreak, grief, rejection)

Magician (a situation has been presented to you that has all the inherent components to allow the manifestation of your desires. Something magical will happen!)

Shadow
8 of Swords (Isolation, self-imposed restriction, imprisonment; depicts a powerless woman)

When I do a spread, the layout is like a pyramid with the middle card (here, the 3 of Swords) as the focus and at the top of the pyramid, then the first card (the 5 of Wands) is the first clarifier to the focus card, and the third (the Magician) is the second clarifier.

Maybe it's just because I'm feeling kind of negative from last week's spread, but I can't think of how in the world to interpret this. The 3 of Swords strikes me as super negative for romance, the 5 of Wands can go either way, and the Magician seems pretty positive.

I have been talking to a girl for several weeks, and I have no honest idea if she likes me or if I'm just somebody she chats with. I was thinking about asking her to lunch this week... even though I didn't ask, maybe this is advise that asking would not go well, but there's still "magician" potential?

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